ISP mit fester IP für Heimserver?

Caesar

Bloody Newbie

Registered: Jul 2022
Location: Graz
Posts: 2

27.08.2024 - 17:20

Hallo!
Ich bin neu in Österreich (Graz) und denke über die Möglichkeiten nach, einen Heimserver zu betreiben und wie das mit den üblichen ISPs hier funktioniert.

Ist es möglich, eine feste IP zu bekommen oder muss man einen DDNS-Dienst einrichten?
Hat hier schon jemand eine gute Lösung, die man empfehlen kann?

(Sorry for my (possibly) confusing German, I am not yet fluent so I use google translate a lot)

davebastard

Vinyl-Sammler

Registered: Jun 2002
Location: wean
Posts: 12157

27.08.2024 - 17:26

depends on what connection is available at your home? fibre? coax/cable TV? phone-wire?

nexus_VI

Overnumerousness!

Registered: Aug 2006
Location: südstadt
Posts: 3746

27.08.2024 - 17:32

Bei manchen Anbietern kannst du gegen Aufpreis eine statische IP-Adresse erhalten. Ich habe bei meinem Provider (Kabelplus) seit 10 Jahren die gleiche Adresse, die ist also defacto statisch.

Hat man dieses Glück nicht, ist die Einrichtung eines DDNS Dienstes aber auch kein großer Aufwand. Vor allem, wenn man ohnehin einen Heimserver betreibt.

Jedimaster

Here to stay

Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Linz
Posts: 2974

27.08.2024 - 17:46

DynDNS-Dienste sind aber auch desöfteren sehr dynamisch in der Funktionsweise und funktionieren genau dann nicht wenn mans brauchen würd

English:
DynDNS-Services sometimes also just work 'dynamically' - and usually fail when you need them

Viper780

Moderator
Er ist tot, Jim!

Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Wien
Posts: 49905

27.08.2024 - 18:16

fonira has the option to book a fixed IPv4 address

Just check what connection is available for you.
Many of the ISP only offer such a option to business customers

COLOSSUS

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GNUltra

Registered: Dec 2000
Location: ~
Posts: 12067

27.08.2024 - 18:55

Auf diesem Fonira-Portal kann man die am Standort technisch erzielbare Bandbreite gut im Vorhinein abschaetzen: https://abfrage.fonira.at/

Fonira ist der beste ISP, bei dem ich je war. Und ja, dort kann man eine statische IPv4-Adresse sowie einen statischen IPv6-Prefix (/60) fuer ein paar Euro im Monat dazubekommen.

roscoe

tinkerer

Registered: Mar 2005
Location: 1050 Wien
Posts: 707

27.08.2024 - 18:57

You can get a static IP from most if not all ISPs, also with non-business contracts.

Cost is 4..10 eur/month.

berndy2001

Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Vienna
Posts: 2009

27.08.2024 - 19:01

Zitat aus einem Post von Jedimaster
DynDNS-Dienste sind aber auch desöfteren sehr dynamisch in der Funktionsweise und funktionieren genau dann nicht wenn mans brauchen würd

Darum eigene (sub)Domain und Nameserver bei einem Anbieter der eine api fürs Update hat.

Bearbeitet von berndy2001 am 27.08.2024, 19:05

hynk

Super Moderator
like totally ambivalent

Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Linz
Posts: 11032

27.08.2024 - 21:27

Most Internet Cable ISPs have very long lease times, which basically means you have a static IP for a year or more. Phone network and mobile providers usually want you to pay extra for a static IP.

Caesar

Bloody Newbie

Registered: Jul 2022
Location: Graz
Posts: 2

29.08.2024 - 12:15

Very nice! Thanks for all the answers

I think that for my current apartment, the most obvious internet connection would be Magenta over the cable-TV connection, so I'll try that and see how often they change the IP.

wergor

connoisseur de mimi

Registered: Jul 2005
Location: vulkanland
Posts: 4095

29.08.2024 - 12:37

Zitat aus einem Post von Caesar
Very nice! Thanks for all the answers

I think that for my current apartment, the most obvious internet connection would be Magenta over the cable-TV connection, so I'll try that and see how often they change the IP.

I had magenta in graz for ~10y now, the only times my ip changed is when the modem died and I got a replacement (happened twice so far)

bsox

Schwarze Socke

Registered: Jun 2009
Location: Dschibuti
Posts: 1066

29.08.2024 - 13:37

Zitat aus einem Post von Caesar
I think that for my current apartment, the most obvious internet connection would be Magenta over the cable-TV connection, so I'll try that and see how often they change the IP.

I'm using Magenta Cable as my ISP, with the modem in bride mode and my personal firewall behind that.

The IP of the external interfaces changes so seldom, that I can't remember when it changed the last time. As long as you do not change your MAC address of your external interface when issueing your DHCP requests to Magenta, you will receive the same IP for a very long time.

davebastard

Vinyl-Sammler

Registered: Jun 2002
Location: wean
Posts: 12157

29.08.2024 - 13:43

same here. for bridge mode you have to call the hotline or send an email to the support. the newest modem does not allow to change it yourself.

berndy2001

Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Vienna
Posts: 2009

29.08.2024 - 13:45

Zitat aus einem Post von davebastard
for bridge mode you have to call the hotline or send an email to the support. the newest modem does not allow to change it yourself.

And they want a reason. "For work because of VPN access" is sufficient.

Zitat aus einem Post von bsox
The IP of the external interfaces changes so seldom, that I can't remember when it changed the last time

It's very rare, but I have had a change several times, even though I haven't changed anything on my hardware. So you can't rely on it 100%.

Bearbeitet von berndy2001 am 29.08.2024, 13:48

.Gh#Z7

Addicted

Registered: May 2005
Location: AdW
Posts: 536

29.08.2024 - 15:35

I once had Magenta, initially with IPv6. As stated by berndy2001, simply requesting IPv4 and bridge mode "for work/VPN/..." via support worked (at least several years ago).

Caesar Bloody Newbie Registered: Jul 2022 Location: Graz Posts: 2	27.08.2024 - 17:20 Hallo! Ich bin neu in Österreich (Graz) und denke über die Möglichkeiten nach, einen Heimserver zu betreiben und wie das mit den üblichen ISPs hier funktioniert. Ist es möglich, eine feste IP zu bekommen oder muss man einen DDNS-Dienst einrichten? Hat hier schon jemand eine gute Lösung, die man empfehlen kann? (Sorry for my (possibly) confusing German, I am not yet fluent so I use google translate a lot)
davebastard Vinyl-Sammler Registered: Jun 2002 Location: wean Posts: 12157	27.08.2024 - 17:26 depends on what connection is available at your home? fibre? coax/cable TV? phone-wire?
nexus_VI Overnumerousness! Registered: Aug 2006 Location: südstadt Posts: 3746	27.08.2024 - 17:32 Bei manchen Anbietern kannst du gegen Aufpreis eine statische IP-Adresse erhalten. Ich habe bei meinem Provider (Kabelplus) seit 10 Jahren die gleiche Adresse, die ist also defacto statisch. Hat man dieses Glück nicht, ist die Einrichtung eines DDNS Dienstes aber auch kein großer Aufwand. Vor allem, wenn man ohnehin einen Heimserver betreibt.
Jedimaster Here to stay Registered: Dec 2005 Location: Linz Posts: 2974	27.08.2024 - 17:46 DynDNS-Dienste sind aber auch desöfteren sehr dynamisch in der Funktionsweise und funktionieren genau dann nicht wenn mans brauchen würd English: DynDNS-Services sometimes also just work 'dynamically' - and usually fail when you need them
Viper780 Moderator Er ist tot, Jim! Registered: Mar 2001 Location: Wien Posts: 49905	27.08.2024 - 18:16 fonira has the option to book a fixed IPv4 address Just check what connection is available for you. Many of the ISP only offer such a option to business customers
COLOSSUS Administrator GNUltra Registered: Dec 2000 Location: ~ Posts: 12067	27.08.2024 - 18:55 Auf diesem Fonira-Portal kann man die am Standort technisch erzielbare Bandbreite gut im Vorhinein abschaetzen: https://abfrage.fonira.at/ Fonira ist der beste ISP, bei dem ich je war. Und ja, dort kann man eine statische IPv4-Adresse sowie einen statischen IPv6-Prefix (/60) fuer ein paar Euro im Monat dazubekommen.
roscoe tinkerer Registered: Mar 2005 Location: 1050 Wien Posts: 707	27.08.2024 - 18:57 You can get a static IP from most if not all ISPs, also with non-business contracts. Cost is 4..10 eur/month.
berndy2001 Registered: Feb 2003 Location: Vienna Posts: 2009	27.08.2024 - 19:01 Zitat aus einem Post von Jedimaster DynDNS-Dienste sind aber auch desöfteren sehr dynamisch in der Funktionsweise und funktionieren genau dann nicht wenn mans brauchen würd Darum eigene (sub)Domain und Nameserver bei einem Anbieter der eine api fürs Update hat. Bearbeitet von berndy2001 am 27.08.2024, 19:05
hynk Super Moderator like totally ambivalent Registered: Apr 2003 Location: Linz Posts: 11032	27.08.2024 - 21:27 Most Internet Cable ISPs have very long lease times, which basically means you have a static IP for a year or more. Phone network and mobile providers usually want you to pay extra for a static IP.
Caesar Bloody Newbie Registered: Jul 2022 Location: Graz Posts: 2	29.08.2024 - 12:15 Very nice! Thanks for all the answers I think that for my current apartment, the most obvious internet connection would be Magenta over the cable-TV connection, so I'll try that and see how often they change the IP.
wergor connoisseur de mimi Registered: Jul 2005 Location: vulkanland Posts: 4095	29.08.2024 - 12:37 Zitat aus einem Post von Caesar Very nice! Thanks for all the answers I think that for my current apartment, the most obvious internet connection would be Magenta over the cable-TV connection, so I'll try that and see how often they change the IP. I had magenta in graz for ~10y now, the only times my ip changed is when the modem died and I got a replacement (happened twice so far)
bsox Schwarze Socke Registered: Jun 2009 Location: Dschibuti Posts: 1066	29.08.2024 - 13:37 Zitat aus einem Post von Caesar I think that for my current apartment, the most obvious internet connection would be Magenta over the cable-TV connection, so I'll try that and see how often they change the IP. I'm using Magenta Cable as my ISP, with the modem in bride mode and my personal firewall behind that. The IP of the external interfaces changes so seldom, that I can't remember when it changed the last time. As long as you do not change your MAC address of your external interface when issueing your DHCP requests to Magenta, you will receive the same IP for a very long time.
davebastard Vinyl-Sammler Registered: Jun 2002 Location: wean Posts: 12157	29.08.2024 - 13:43 same here. for bridge mode you have to call the hotline or send an email to the support. the newest modem does not allow to change it yourself.
berndy2001 Registered: Feb 2003 Location: Vienna Posts: 2009	29.08.2024 - 13:45 Zitat aus einem Post von davebastard for bridge mode you have to call the hotline or send an email to the support. the newest modem does not allow to change it yourself. And they want a reason. "For work because of VPN access" is sufficient. Zitat aus einem Post von bsox The IP of the external interfaces changes so seldom, that I can't remember when it changed the last time It's very rare, but I have had a change several times, even though I haven't changed anything on my hardware. So you can't rely on it 100%. Bearbeitet von berndy2001 am 29.08.2024, 13:48
.Gh#Z7 Addicted Registered: May 2005 Location: AdW Posts: 536	29.08.2024 - 15:35 I once had Magenta, initially with IPv6. As stated by berndy2001, simply requesting IPv4 and bridge mode "for work/VPN/..." via support worked (at least several years ago).

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